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Dave
25th August 2009, 11:05 PM
One of millions who waved good bye and disappeared into the East.

gunbb
26th August 2009, 11:14 AM
Where did you get that, Dave? BB

Dave
26th August 2009, 01:02 PM
Out of an old abandoned house in Germany many years ago.

Niblet
26th August 2009, 10:24 PM
Very nice! I would like one like that

The_Party_Badge_Guy
27th August 2009, 07:44 AM
Dave, hope you take this with a pinch of salt, but the writing does not look period to me. Reservistika is, and will always be (esp. items like this) FAITH items, that you choose to believe or not. And without this guys papers and/or death card etc etc, that`s what it will remain. For every German auction house, there will be 10-20 items like this sold per week. It`s a very easy-to-do boot sale pick up for €5.-, and quickly transformed into a €50.- item. I guess, the more of these that you see, you kind of develope a "feel" for them. Sure they were Period made by the families, in the field, and on German street corners, But they are also made today though :mad:

Mike Peters
27th August 2009, 09:35 AM
I agree .. We’ve all seen where they (Dealers or Collectors) take a Death Notice and other paperwork and “add” to the group. It the same with everything though …find an EK2 Award Document, add any old EK to it and “POOF” –it’s a group worth a lot more.

But in this case , Dave was stationed in Germany and knew it’s story firsthand. It didn’t come through any Collectors network.

Dave
27th August 2009, 10:12 AM
Since my driver and I recovered it directly from the ruined house I believe it to be period. The price was certainly right.

Mike Peters
27th August 2009, 08:33 PM
I know some collectors don't like that font but , I’ve run into this rounded style Font on many TR items ..Awards, Plaques , ID Plates …it seemed to be a cleaner style of engraving and easier to read (at least for me) than the Classic Font.
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff54/MilitaryChef/DSC05577.jpg
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff54/MilitaryChef/DSC05579.jpg
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff54/MilitaryChef/DSC05580.jpg
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff54/MilitaryChef/DSC05581.jpg

Mike Peters
27th August 2009, 08:34 PM
I even have a US Army Award produced right after the War using the same rounded Font
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff54/MilitaryChef/DSC05578.jpg

Mike Peters
27th August 2009, 08:46 PM
Here’s an interesting Folder/Booklet that’s related to those lost in the East. It’s a Folder that (I believe) was given to the Families of Soldiers from the 170th Infantry Division who were buried in the Unit Cemetery ..in the Crimea .
The folder includes Pictures of the site as well as a map showing the Plot locations.
This one was never filled in.
You can see they went to great lengths building this Monument …I can only wonder what happened to it and the graves once the Russians recaptured the Krim

The Front cover with an embossed EK --
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff54/MilitaryChef/DSC05582.jpg
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff54/MilitaryChef/DSC05583.jpg
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff54/MilitaryChef/DSC05584.jpg

Mike Peters
27th August 2009, 08:47 PM
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff54/MilitaryChef/DSC05585.jpg
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff54/MilitaryChef/DSC05586.jpg
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff54/MilitaryChef/DSC05587.jpg

Mike Peters
27th August 2009, 08:49 PM
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff54/MilitaryChef/DSC05589.jpg
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff54/MilitaryChef/DSC05590.jpg
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff54/MilitaryChef/DSC05591.jpg
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff54/MilitaryChef/DSC05591-1.jpg

Dave
27th August 2009, 09:44 PM
Bulldozed by the Soviets after the war????

Mike Peters
27th August 2009, 10:00 PM
Knowing Stalin’s way of doing things ..probably the City Dump.
I read that as the German Forces retreated ..they'd document where their Cemeteries were and then remove any grave markers so the Soviet troops wouldn’t desecrate the Graves.
I'm sure the locals would tell Ivan though.
The Russian Front was definitely not a “Gentleman’s War”

Dave
27th August 2009, 10:01 PM
I understand that they are still buying back remains.

Mike Peters
27th August 2009, 11:05 PM
I've read that when the Stalingrad Losses were adding up ..at first the Death Notices would list that the Soldier died there. But when the numbers skyrocketed ..the order was given that they were not allowed to print "Stalingrad" on notices any longer and could only print "Ost"
Maybe they felt that would lessen the demoralizing affect on the population.

http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff54/MilitaryChef/DSC05611.jpg
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff54/MilitaryChef/DSC05612.jpg

Mike Peters
27th August 2009, 11:07 PM
And if you had a relative who was MIA in Stalingrad ...The German Gov created a special Office to handle those MIA's

http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff54/MilitaryChef/DSC05613.jpg
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff54/MilitaryChef/DSC05614.jpg
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff54/MilitaryChef/DSC05615.jpg

walkerheaders
28th August 2009, 04:32 AM
pretty amazing history and items. i find it fascinating. thanx for sharing.